Is it politically incorrect to dress chimps as humans? American Greetings says yes: Today in Ohio

CLEVELAND, Ohio — American Greetings has stopped selling cards with images of chimpanzees in human costumes and poses, after a request years ago from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

We’re talking about why chimpanzees dressed in party hats is a problem on Today in Ohio.

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Following Tuesday’s elections, is gerrymandering still as big of a problem as it was for the past 10 years?

Why is it so politically incorrect to dress chimpanzees in costumes that American Greetings is dropping any cards that features images of the simian?

It was big news when the former Cuyahoga County jail director was sentenced to jail himself for mismanaging the jail. He finished his sentence long ago, but now his conviction has been thrown out. Why?

When we publish stories about sports gambling, I hear from a handful of readers who are offended. They think gambling is a vice. Is that the generally held opinion in Northeast Ohio?

We don’t think of Cuyahoga County as split ballot country, but what did our analysis of voting patterns for governor and senate show?

Chris Ronayne scored a huge win just two days after being elected Cuyahoga County executive, naming a chief of staff who was quite popular before he left Greater Cleveland 8 years ago. Who is he, and what has he been doing?

People in the Parma City School District simply refuse to approve new taxes, rejecting the latest proposal last Tuesday. That leaves the district in a jam. How will the superintendent address that?

Let’s talk slush funds. What is the latest round of spending by the Cuyahoga County Council with its terribly misguided move to squander $66 million in stimulus dollars on dozens of tiny porojects no one will long remember?

There was a time when the answer to this question was a hard no, but no longer. Should you buy travel insurance when planning a vacation?

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Chris: [00:00:00] And we’re back from three days away, a rare day off on Friday, so we have plenty to talk about on today in Ohio. The news podcast. Discussion from cleveland.com and The Plain Dealer. I’m Chris Quinn. I’m here with Lisa Garvin, Ala Tasi, and Laura Johnson. We’re gonna start with some election follow up. I know it’s a week old, but people are still talking about it.

And on this next question, my email box keeps filling up with it. Following Tuesday’s elections is Gerry Mandra Dill as big of a problem as it was for the past 10 years. Lisa, the, the readers I’m hearing from refuse to accept these numbers.

Lisa: Well in our story, and this is the, and we have to crunch some numbers here.

So gerrymandering was slightly less egregious in this last election than it has been. And it, you know, knowing that we voted with unconstitutional maps, So in the November 8th election, we have five Democratic congressional seats and 10 [00:01:00] Republicans going to the US Congress. So that means that the G O P has 67% of the Ohio Congressional seats.

So, When you look at the average vote, For Republicans for statewide office that sits at 59%. If you look at the average vote share of statewide congressional candidates, that’s 57%, so that’s an eight to 10 point difference between that and, and the actual seats that they hold. This is the smallest gap.

In at least 10 years. If you look back at the 2010s, the G O P had 12 of 16 congressional seats, 75%, and the average vote of the statewide candidates, 56%, and the average vote share for congressional candidates was 56%. So that was a 19% difference. So we went from 19% gap to an eight to 10 point. But when you talk to Common Cause, director Katherine Tesser, she says, Yeah, the gerrymander was not as [00:02:00] robust or extreme as expected, but they just went from an F grade to a D grade.

She said that Dems did win competitive races, but three of the seats were vulnerable to G O P pickup. Whereas no Republican seats were vulnerable to a Democratic challenge. So, um, you know, the map was deemed competitive. Um, and the districts are said to be solid for the Democrats, but, uh, I don’t know. I I, it still looks like a gerrymandered to me.

Chris: It, it was definitely gerrymandered in the process. But, but what is interesting is, is that the. Is shifting. More and more people are voting Republican, which means that Gulf is shrinking. And you know, people are saying, well, they were all incumbents, so of course they voted for ‘em. You, you can make any kind of analysis you want, but the numbers are the numbers.

People voted in large numbers across this state for Republicans.

Lisa: Yes, they did. And most of the Republican, well, all of the G O P incumbents except one, you know, they have the visibility [00:03:00] obviously because they’re in office and they also. Fundraising edge and draw more donor dollars, but most of them won their races by about 20 points.

But they did lose a Republican, I mean p Political Science professor from the University of Cincinnati. David Nivan says it’s a grand cosmic irony that the Republicans defended their gerrymandered maps only to U lose. You know, Congressman Steve Shabos seat to a.

Chris: The other problem, of course, is the Democrats are not feel fielding the best of candidates.

Uh, the Democratic party is in kind of disarray like never before. And unless they can get their act together, it’s just not going to be a competitive state. Well, and I think today in Ohio, Oh, go ahead.

Lisa: No, I was just gonna say, I think when, you know, when I sat through all the endorsement, uh, interviews this last fall is that so many of the Democratic con candidates, well they’re running, you know, they’d never run for office before and they’re trying to be a senator or, you know, or a lawmaker.

So we, there’s a lot of inexperience in the pipeline there.

Chris: Indeed. [00:04:00] It’s today in Ohio. Why is it so politically incorrect to dress chimpanzees in costumes that American Greetings is dropping? Any cards that feature images of the Simeon and Laura, you were off on Thursday. I had to go in and talk to our.

Publisher President Brad Harmon, and he asked, What are you guys talking about in the newsroom? And I said, You know, Brad, we just had a conversation about whether it would be appropriate to illustrate a story with a picture of a chimp in a costume, and it was kind of hotly debated. That was the kind of day it was that you missed.

Laura: Uh, I am sorry I missed that conversation. Anytime we talk about animals in the newsroom, I feel like it’s a good discussion. Um, I have to say this was not on my radar at all as a problem because no one’s arguing that these chimpanzees on the cards were mistreated. But Feta first brought this up with American Greetings in 2008 and the.

Issue is that the images are demeaning because they suggest the species is thriving, when in fact, chimpanzees are on the international union of the conservation [00:05:00] of nature’s list of endangered species. That’s happened since 1996. So if you have photos of them in human clothing, wearing party hats, smiling or holding hands with human, people think they’re doing great, and it increases the likelihood that people would want them as a.

Chris: I, I, I gotta tell you, and this one, with all the stuff we’ve been talking about for the past week, abortion and the red wave, blue wave, all the big issues facing America. This just did not seem like one that that should merit this kind of a discussion. Our former colleague Robin Go, is with PETA and she feels very strongly about it.

Was very proud that American Greetings. Decided to do this, and we ultimately decided online not to run a photo of a chimpanzee in a costume because we figured we’d get hate mail if we did. But what are we coming to? We’ve talked about how we seem to be moving too quickly in America, in in, in embracing some strange [00:06:00] ideas.

This feels like one of those to me. I

Laura: actually. Even writing like my notes for this and I was like, can we say Chimp anymore? Or it’s like that too, you know, Demeaning to the Chimp Hands team. Honestly. , I was actually wondering that like, you know, like, is it politically correct? But, um, now I I it hasn’t been this big hubub lately about this.

They’ve been asking for this for years. I guess they rescued the, the chimpanzee who’s been on the cards. His name is Connor and. It’s usually the same, same chimpanzee and they rescued him, but now they’re saying they’re pulling all the other cards of other chimpanzees and I guess now they’re gonna put some pressure on Hallmark to stop, cuz Hallmark’s still got these kind

Chris: of cards.

When this, when this first came up. I, I didn’t know what the issue was. I’d never heard of this before and I couldn’t believe we were actually having a conversation about it. I was like, Okay. But for Halloween, which we just passed, everybody was posting pictures of their dogs and cats dressed in [00:07:00] ridiculous costumes.

why is that? Okay, but not the chimpanzees, and it’s because the chimpanzees are endangered. Right. It’s just no.

Laura: Yeah. My dog wore a donut, um, collar around his neck, like, you know, he, he hated it. Um, but yeah, golden retrievers are not endangered . Can

Leila: I just say the cards with a chimpanzee wearing an outfit? I mean, that’s the lamest form of humor anyway.

Yeah, I, Yes, that’s true. And is anyone gonna defend. Still need these cards out there. No.

Chris: No. They were dumb. They were

Laura: really dumb. They were a dog card with a party hat. Right? Like you could sell a lot more dogs and cats

Leila: wearing, Of course. Yeah. People love that stuff. I, Every time you see one of those, you pass it right by.

There’s so many other options. Chimps and clothes. Not funny. It’s stupid. It’s stupid. . .

Chris: All right, so all things aside, that’s the reason you should stop. It’s not really funny. It’s today in. . It was big news when the former Cuyahoga County jail director was sentenced to jail [00:08:00] himself for mismanaging the Cuyahoga lockup.

He finished his sentence long ago, but now his conviction has been thrown out. Lela, what’s up? Well, Ken

Leila: Mills served nine months at the Portage County Jail for two counts, each of dereliction of duty and falsification. And like you said, he’s been outta jail for a while now. But a divided three judge panel.

Eighth Ohio District Court of Appeals ruled that Mills deserves a new trial because the judge at his original trial wrongly allowed the jury to hear testimony that several inmates had died during or shortly after Mills’s time there. And the judges said Mills was denied a fair trial because special prosecutors with the Ohio Attorney General’s office didn’t charge him with any crimes related to the deaths.

Despite making that, you know, kind of a focus of their case and the judges. That thought. One of the most egregious examples of this was when prosecutors presented jurors a photo of an inmate hunched over on the floor minutes before he died. The panel felt [00:09:00] prosecutors used that photo simply to inflame and improperly influence the jury.

One, one of the judges wrote in a dissent that she believed the evidence was admissible because Mills was charged with failing to provide adequate shelter and medical care to inmates. So she felt the deaths were. To making that case. But the judges, you know, they did all agree that there was sufficient evidence to convict mills apart from those deaths.

So he will get a new trial and prosecutors can, you know, decide if they’re gonna plan on trying, trying again here.

Chris: What’s the point of retrying him though? He’s already served a penalty. So you’re just going through it to set the

Leila: records. Well, don’t you? I guess, you know, with something like this, wouldn’t you want the charge to stick?

I mean, you want the conviction to, to be upheld. You don’t, you don’t want him to walk away from, from it. But he didn’t

Chris: walk away. He spent nine months in. I

Leila: know, but if he doesn’t have a conviction on his record, then that’s a, you know, it’s really a loss for the

Chris: state. [00:10:00] Oh, I don’t know. What’s the point of the justice system?

Is it to punish wrongdoers, which has happened or is it to set the record straight? Well, I, I just, I, look, we all know the jail was a mess. We know that he wasn’t a competent jail manager. We’ve documented that. Adam Pice and Courtney Alfi did incredible work laying that all out. The whole, the whole world knows He, he’s terrible.

And he did give up nine months of his life. So to go through the expense of a trial on both sides, just to say, Well, the conviction sticks. It seems like a little bit of, Well,

Leila: I also wonder the bureaucratic, the prosecutors tick another bite at this apple, and they don’t have those deaths to draw upon to kind of give it that extra punch.

Are they worried at all that, that he’s gonna be exonerated, ? You know, in that case then it’s a, you know, at least. If they walk away from it, he will have, he’ll still live on under the cloud of what happened, you know? But, you know, if they try it [00:11:00] again and he gets, he gets acquitted because they couldn’t use those deaths in their making their case, then, you know, it’s.

A different outcome.

Chris: Yeah, I don’t know. It’s uh, it’ll be interesting to see what they do cuz he did his time. It’s, I guess if he gets convicted he could get a longer sentence and he could go do more time. But we’ll see. It’s today in Ohio when we publish stories about sports gambling. I hear from a handful of readers who are offended.

They think gambling is of a vice, even if it’s legal. Is that the generally held opinion in northeast Ohio? Lisa?

Lisa: No, it is not. According to the, uh, Baldwin Wallace University poll that cleveland.com and the plain dealer commissioned on a variety of topics, they found that 61% were in favor of legal sports betting.

Only 20% were opposed, and only 7% of them were strongly against it, and about 19% were unsure. So if you take a look at the demographics, you’re more likely to support gambling if you’re a [00:12:00] republican. A man and you make between 50,090 $9,000 a year, and they found in the age demographic, the support was higher in the 18 to 49 demo, but it drops with each older demographic.

So the older you get, the less likely you’re to support gambling. Um, also more white folks and black folks support it. 61.7% of white people are opposed. Support gambling as opposed to 57%, uh, of black folks, and that’s a four point differe.

Chris: What, what strikes me, I cuz I get some pretty angry email about it because the, the gambling issue is changing the language of sports reporting.

There are a lot more stories now that look at the odds and the point spreads. They were always there, but, but it’s much more a part of the discussion that were studies done in Australia when they did sports gambling about how the whole narration of in game sports coverage changed and that’s happening.

It’s a, it. It’s a fairly dramatic [00:13:00] shift in the way you analyze it. Will Nick Chubb rush for a hundred yards or not? It’s no longer winning or losing or just a point spread, but I, But there are some readers that don’t want that. They don’t like change, so that’s one thing, but they just don’t think that we should discuss gambling because it’s so evil.

But it’s legal. It’s not illegal anymore starting in January. So we will be using that language.

Lisa: Right. And support for it. I mean, almost every demographic they talked to, the support was over 50% and well over in many cases. Yeah, I’m,

Leila: I’m surprised to hear that, that Republicans, so, uh, you know, that they, that they’re more likely to support gambling because these kind of, don’t, they see themselves as the morality police.

Lisa: I mean, you know, that’s interesting that you say that, Layla, because in Texas, which is solidly conservative, they never could pass casino gambling. And they tried like three times. Wow. And it never happened. So that kind of surprises me.

Chris: Yeah. Well, yeah, that’s true. Layla, I, I [00:14:00] mean, I know how we got it passed because the Republicans were afraid that it would be a constitutional amendment, so they moved it through.

It’s also lucrative. I mean, the state does get some money out of it, but for regular, Republican voters. It is interesting that they’re in favor of it. Maybe it’s just become so accepted generally, cuz it’s everywhere. It’s today in. We don’t think of Cuyahoga County as a split ballot country, but what did our analysis of voting patterns for governor and Senate show?

Laura? One more

Laura: election story. Right. And Zachary Smith did a nice job analyzing who was voting where. And up to about a fifth, actually more than a fifth, 22% of the county precincts, broke party lines when voting in races for the governor and US Senate. So they chose candidates from opposing parties, and that’s a political gray area.

Most of these are. Mike DeWine is governor and, uh, Tim Ryan is Senator. So, and they’re mostly in the far east side of the county, in the southwestern suburbs. And then there were six [00:15:00] precincts, less than 1% of the county that swung the other way voted for Nan Waley and JD Vance. Uh, 66% of the precincts, uh, across the county, voted for both Democrats and 10% voted for both Republicans.

Chris: The, the map that we published with this story really was the visual aid of visual aids. You never think of Kaga County as having that much red in it.

Laura: Well, and I mean, think about it, it, it’s, well, yeah, 10% of the county and, but we’ve seen this in the last couple years. Strongsville Super Red Parma, which used to be a completely democratic stronghold, has some red in it, Seven Hills North, Royalton, Brookville.

I mean, the further south you get, uh, the little bit more rural you’re getting, obviously it’s not, it’s very suburban, but you’re getting more red. I was really surprised to see that my area of Rocky River. Is just as blue as, you know, South Euclid in Cleveland Heights, although there is like a couple of red precincts, right?

Maybe in, uh, University Heights. I was surprised by that. [00:16:00]

Chris: Yeah, I, I suggest people look on cleveland.com to see the map because we can talk about it all we want, but sometimes an image is worth thousands words and

Leila: it is, it was really interesting to see how many people voted for DeWine and against JD Vance.

And I wish that trend had just carried through the state.

Laura: Well then that was why we had talked about that beforehand, right? Andrew Tobias wrote a story about how Ryan was aiming to pick up those votes and he really needed to do it to, to win, and he did it in Cuyahoga, but not by big enough margins to override the rest of the

Chris: state.

That’s because turnout in Cuyahoga was pretty bad overall, right? I mean, that’s part of the problem is the Democrats no longer get out the vote. People don’t feel like they’re invested in the system, so they stay home. It’s today in Ohio. Chris Roan scored a huge win just two days after being elected.

Cuyahoga County executive naming a chief of staff who was quite popular before he left Greater Cleveland eight years ago. Lelo, who is he and [00:17:00] what has he been

Leila: doing? I agree that this was a good get for Roan last week. Uh, he named Eric Wiler to his transition team and, and as his future chief of staff.

And until then, Wiler had been the city manager of Sandusky, which is his hometown. He’s been there since 20. Before that he had been the director of Ohio City, Inc. Since 2009. That’s the community development corporation in the Ohio City neighborhood, and he once served as the manager of the City of Cleveland’s Office of Capital Budgeting.

Eric presided over Ohio City, Inc. During the years when, when Ohio City really blossomed into what it is today, so full of restaurants and nightlife and attractions. He helped bring Mitchell’s ice cream to that shuttered storefront that once housed Moda. Remember Moda that awful nightclub? And he knew how to leverage neighborhood anchors like the West side market to attract other businesses.

And he, he took that sensibility with him to Sandusky. So throughout the past eight years, you know, I just couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people say they wished that Eric Wiler would come back to [00:18:00] Cleveland for, for a moment when former city Councilman Joe SimMan was stepping down from council to become the director of Global Cleveland.

There was some chatter that Eric. Come back to the city to be appointed to that council seat. But he was adamant at that time that he was committed to Sandusky. That’s his hometown. So I had always felt like that’s where his heart was. And, uh, you know, didn’t, I was really pleasantly surprised to see that he was, he was named to this position.

Chris: He’s been on fire. I mean he, you know, you want somebody that cares about lakefront development. He moved city hall off the lakefront so that they could develop it. I mean, think about that. You know what, how, how many mayors are gonna say, Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a waste the space, like an airport. Maybe let’s get it off the lakefront and do some cool things with it.

That town in his eight years has been transformed. I mean, he has been a wonder kind, and you’re right. How many times have we heard. When’s he coming back? He spoke at the city club a few years back, I think. And you had, you heard that, When is he coming [00:19:00] back for Chris Roan to snag him and bring him back?

That is big,

Leila: big, you know, looking around online. I saw the story that said that in 2020, it seems he was a finalist for the job of city administrator in, in Ann Arbor, Michigan. He has ties there. He’s, he won, you know, he went to University of Michigan for law school. He. Yeah, . Um, but he ended up withdrawing his name from consideration there and decided to stay in Sandusky instead and, and help his hometown weather the storm during the pandemic.

You know, of course that town, you know, they suffered so greatly from the sudden loss of tourism dollars and the fact that Cedar Point was closed for half of that season and he told Ann Arbor. It was an honor to be a finalist, but it would take a near perfect situation for me to consider leaving Sandusky, so this must be that perfect situation.

Chris: I find it interesting that he gave notice about a month ago, well before Christopher Na won the election. I think he might have been confident. [00:20:00]

Laura: I got to meet with him when I was doing Rock the Lake and spent a day going around downtown Sandusky. We actually threw axes together at their act, throwing bar and looked at all the development they were doing in the new Sea Hall they were building, and I was super impressed with everything he’s been able to accomplish in Sandusky, and he’s able to bring that kind of passion and just efficiency.

To Cuyahoga County, then we are in for break and he really has

Leila: a, a public service spirit. You know, I was reading that during mm-hmm. Hard times in Sandusky. He voluntarily gave back, you know, part of his salary, uh, to, to help the budget and, you know, when do you hear of that happening? ? Instead we’ve heard of, we’ve heard of city council members in some cities voting to give themselves raises when they got with Harpa money.

Money .

Chris: So , geez. Okay. Yeah, it’s a big get. Let’s see what else Chris Roan does. He’s off to a good start. It’s today in Ohio. People in the Parma City School district [00:21:00] simply refuse to approve new taxes. Rejecting the latest proposal last Tuesday that leaves the. In the jam, Lisa, how will the superintendent address

Lisa: it?

Well, there’s a lot of things that aren’t going to happen and uh, Superintendent Charles Meek says he’s not sure that we won’t go before voters again. So, issue nine was on the ballot in parm was a 3.95 mil bond issue for Parma schools. It failed for the third time in three years out of 36,359. Votes cast 52.4% opposed the bond issue.

He said, you know, smile. He thought we had a good, strong campaign, but they didn’t change enough minds. This, uh, levy would’ve cost $11 and 53 cents a month for a $100,000 home. So what happens is immediate, they will not be building the new 194 million high school that would’ve served the entire school district.

They will also lose. 79 million in matching funds from the Ohio Facilities [00:22:00] Construction Commission. And he said that their consolidation of the district will continue. There is planning underway to close and demolish Parma High School and Redwood Elementary. Parma Park Elementary will become the new central office location and the location for the Parma Academy of Gifted Enrichment.

And that’s coming soon, he says, But we may have to come back to voters, you know, if we need a new high school. The operating revenues that they got from. Levy in 2011 is running out, so they’re, you know, he’s not sure what his next steps will be.

Chris: The idea that you just keep coming back and coming back just rubs me the wrong way.

You ought to have a moratorium if voters go to the polls and say, No, shouldn’t you get a year before you have to address it again? I, I just, the will of the voters should matter. But if they just keep coming back and back, and often they’ll try and do it in a special election when there’s low turnout or something to.

To cook the books a bit, it’s just if the voters don’t wanna have the tax. You know, you gotta [00:23:00] figure it out.

Lisa: But then will they start bitching that there’s no high school? I mean, you know.

Chris: Yeah. But, but that, Look, the voters are the ones that decide how much money the government should have. The voters are the government.

They control it. And so if the voters say, No more taxes, we, we want you to do it within a budget, then you gotta work within the budget. Imagine if the county council learn to work within its budget, you know, it’s, it’s an interesting exercise, but to, to repeatedly come back. It’s just, I don’t know, just you hear people talk about it and they just feel like, It’s not right.

It look, it’s also partly cuz of Ohio’s law where the taxes don’t rise with inflation. That’s a rare thing. Ohio has that cap so that as soon as you pass the tax, the value of it starts dropping because you can never collect an extra dollar from it. Then when you pass it, It’s today in Ohio. What talk Slush funds, What is the latest round of spending by the Cuyahoga County Council with its terribly [00:24:00] misguided move to squander 66 million in stimulus funds on dozens of tiny projects that no one will.

How do you really feel

Leila: Chris ? Yeah, well this week, uh, we saw county council pass another 2.6 million in, in proposed spending. More than half of it, about 1.5 million will be used to demolish the Brook Park Memorial Elementary School and replace it with a retention pond, you know, because, When you think of all the transformational uses of this kind of once in a lifetime money, you think retention pond, right?

Lisa: But what else? I mean,

Chris: Dale Miller, Mosquito breeding grounds Mosquito

Leila: farm, The Brook Park Mosquito farm. Right? But, uh, so Dale Miller and Ann Baker in districts one and two, they’re gonna pull. 89,000 to give to the West Shore Council of Governments to buy equipment for the West Shore Technical Response Team.

They respond to fires and specialized rescue operations. Dale Miller is also gonna give [00:25:00] 750 grand to add a path from Cam’s Corners Neighborhood to Rocky River Reservation. He’s gonna give a hundred grand for a meals program for seniors. There’s money, uh, for Lakewood to produce a feasibility study on eco-friendly public transit.

That sounds kind of interesting. 43,000 for the Journey Center for Safety and Healing for renovations at a domestic violence shelter. And then Sonny Simon in District 11 is giving 50 grand to the Bail Project Incorporated to hire an employee to identify people in need of bail assistance and, and support them.

That’s the new list. Thank

Chris: you. Yeah, just think 66 million. If you’d been very creative and innovative, how many lives could you have actually changed? You know, we talked at one point, What if you created a nurse training program? Because we have this terrible shortage of nurses where you take candidates, you put ‘em through school, you pay for their childcare, you make sure they have food in shelter, and for whatever it is, the year and a half it takes to get trained.

[00:26:00] Everything’s covered, and then you change their lives and they thrive and their families thrive. How many people could you have done that with? And instead we’re doing all this nickel and dime stuff that no one’s gonna remember it.

Leila: It’s, And the next, the next round will probably include like 50 grand for mosquito control in Brook Park, ,

Chris: West Nile virus.

Right. Testing in Brook Park. It’s today in. There was a time when the answer to this question was a hard no, but no longer it appears. Should you buy travel insurance when planning a vacation? Laura,

Laura: the experts are saying yes, and most travelers agree at this point. More than half, and it depends who you’re asking, but up to 95% of some travel agents clients are getting travel insurance.

I have to say, I have never paid for this. Then again, my vacations. Really modest compared to the people talking in this story. I’ve never, you know, been to Belize and had to wait out a hurricane. And that’s the kind of stuff that people are, are worried about, right? It’s not just Covid, but [00:27:00] that’s the reason that so many people are choosing to get it now, is because they’ve seen what can happen to their vacations when the unexpected occur.

Chris: I, I was surprised that the advice was generally that, and it wasn’t just advice from people who make money by selling you insurance. It was from people that have seen vacations dissolve away and people lose quite a bit of cash because of it. But what a dramatic turnaround because

Leila: of the code. Can I say, I have looked at those insurance policies every single time we’ve planned any kind of trip, and they all feel like, I mean, they, I’m pretty sure they say that the, the policy will kick in if the place where you are needs to be evacuated.

Which is a pretty high bar. I mean, you have to be really in the eye of the storm if you,

Laura: I think there’s a lot of different ones that you can get here, and Susan Glaser lays it out really well. I mean, you’re gonna pay more for the cancel for anything kind of thing. If you’re like, Eh, I’m just not feeling my trip anymore.

I wanna cancel. You can get insurance for that and get your [00:28:00] money back. You know, there are people that get. When they’re on vacation, rather if it’s from Covid or something else. People who had to quarantine their insurance was covering extra days, stay at their hotels. Somebody apparently tripped and broke an ankle while they were quarantined and they got that paid for.

So I think you have to be really careful about what you’re paying for and reading the fine print, because yeah, it could be a terrorist attack, it could be a storm. You know, it could just be bad weather that cancels your flight, I don’t know. But you do need to look at what you’re paying for. And the more it covers, obviously the more expensive it’s going to be, but it’s a fraction of the cost of the total.

They say four to 8% of the total trip cost. And if you are planning like a big trip, you know, jump through Europe in a bunch of different countries, it makes a whole lot more sense than if I’m like, I’m gonna drive somewhere and stay in a hotel that’s totally canceled .

Chris: Yeah. I, I do notice though, that there are times where you see our readers writing letters about how they had a hard time getting [00:29:00] reimbursed.

Mm-hmm. , I think there’s something to what Layla’s saying about, you really need to look at the, at what you’re covered for. Like if you have a, a death in the family and have to come back for a funeral, does that count? Things like that. But it’s a good story by Susan Glazer. Check it out on cleveland.com.

That’s it for Monday on today in Ohio. Thanks, Lisa. Thanks Laura. Thanks Layla. And thank you for listening.

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